EP102: TESTIMONY with Dr. Carly Dillard, Nursing Professor and Podcaster

About the Guest:

Dr. Carly Dillard is a clinical assistant professor at Baylor University, esteemed for her background in nursing education. She holds an advanced degree of Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) from Capella University and a Bachelor of Science in Nursing (BSN) from Elmira College. Dr. Dillard is not only an accomplished educator but also the host of "Pink Table Talk," a podcast focusing on women empowerment and personal success stories. She is a first-generation college graduate, having navigated difficult life circumstances including poverty and family tragedy, to achieve personal and professional success.

Episode Summary:

In episode 102 of the "Becoming UnDone" podcast, host Toby Brooks interviews Dr. Carly Dillard to uncover her inspiring journey from hardship to success. The episode delves into Dr. Dillard's background as the eighth of nine children, growing up in poverty after the loss of her father, and the trials she faced in her pursuit of higher education. As a first-generation college student, she overcame numerous adversities to eventually earn her doctorate in nursing, striving to ensure a stable future for herself and her family.

In this engaging episode, Dr. Dillard opens up about her perseverance through life-altering challenges, including her experience as a survivor of domestic violence. Her drive to overcome these hardships empowered her pursuit of a doctoral degree while managing motherhood and a challenging professional path. Throughout the discussion, Dr. Dillard shares her insights on the role of education as a transformative force in her life and how she utilizes her experiences to inspire students and podcast audiences alike. Dr. Dillard also highlights her passion for teaching nursing with compassion and empathy, thus preparing the next generation of health care professionals. 

Key Takeaways:

• Educational Journey: Dr. Dillard shares her transition from a tumultuous upbringing to obtaining a terminal degree in nursing, underscoring the importance of education as a tool for empowerment and stability.
• Balancing Life's Challenges: Her narrative emphasizes resilience through personal hardships, proving that determination can surmount significant adversities.
• Career in Education: Transitioning from patient care to academia, she highlights how teaching presents a valuable opportunity to impact future healthcare professionals.
• Advocacy and Empowerment: Dr. Dillard's podcast, "Pink Table Talk," aims to highlight success stories of women overcoming obstacles and advocates for women's empowerment.
• Community and Influence: Through her roles as an educator and podcaster, Dr. Dillard showcases how sharing personal journeys can empower and energize others striving for achievement.

Notable Quotes:

• "We learned what hunger means. We learned how to go without." — Dr. Carly Dillard
• "I just had this attitude to not give up. And it was like, to keep going, just keep going." — Dr. Carly Dillard
• "It's truly a calling and a passion of mine…caring for others, especially during the time of need." — Dr. Carly Dillard
• "I love walking in with my Baylor group. Everybody knows our our green scrubs, and people ar

Transcript

0:00:04 - (Carly Dillard): This is becoming undone. I am one out of nine children. I'm actually number eight. I lost my father at age 17, my father's death when I was a teenager. My family and I experienced extreme poverty. My mother at the time was only working at the medical secretary, making less than 30,000 a year, still supporting most of her children in the home. So we learned with hunger. We learned how to go without. 

0:00:40 - (Carly Dillard): I remember there was a time we had furniture, many nights, going to bed hungry, only having some tea. You know, those were very tough days. And it was through that the determination and the drive the songwriter, literally and metaphorically, to succeed, it helped push me so that I could be financially stable one day for me and my future family. I am Doctor Farnaby, and I am under. 

0:01:27 - (Toby Brooks): Hey friend, I'm glad you're here. Welcome to yet another episode of Becoming Undone, the podcast where we examine the art of transforming unfinished goals into unstoppable growth. One inspiring story at a time. I'm Toby Brooks, a speaker, an author, professor, and a forever student. I spent much of the last two decades working as an athletic trainer and a strength coach in the professional collegiate high school sports settings, and over the years, I've grown more and more fascinated with what sets high achievers apart and how failures that can suck in the moment can end up being exactly the push we needed to propel us on our paths to success. 

0:02:01 - (Toby Brooks): Each week on becoming undone, I invite new guests to examine how high achievers can transform from falling apart to falling into place. I'd like to emphasize that this show's entirely separate from my job at Baylor University, but it's my attempt to apply what I've learned and what I'm learning, and to share with others about the mindsets of high achievers. This week is a bit of humble pie for me, but I hope you'll forgive me. 

0:02:31 - (Toby Brooks): They say in podcasting and YouTubing as well. Your first real episodes don't begin until after you've published at least 100, and I can see the wisdom in that. I've learned a thousand things that I shouldn't do along the way here, and if you go back and listen to some of my older episodes, youll probably hear them, but that doesnt mean that things dont still go wrong from time to time. Take this episode, for instance. 

0:02:53 - (Toby Brooks): Doctor Carly Dillard is an accomplished educator with a terminal degree in nursing, and her show Pink table Talk, is a kindred spirit of sorts to my show, where she brings on guests with inspiring stories to tell their tales. One of nine children. She lost her father while she was in high school. But Doctor D found a way to overcome poverty and grief, to become a successful first generation college student and eventually a nurse. 

0:03:18 - (Toby Brooks): Things didn't just automatically get easier for her over time. In fact, she continued to face and overcome adversities all the way to and beyond, earning her doctorate at Capella University. It's an incredible, inspiring and powerful story and testimony. Problem is, the audio in her interview just doesn't do it justice. A mic issue led to an audio nightmare and I did my best and I learned some new skills along the way. 

0:03:43 - (Toby Brooks): But rest assured, what you are about to hear is the best I'm able to do. 

0:03:48 - (C): And you know, I'm trying to heed. 

0:03:49 - (Toby Brooks): My own advice here because as I've often told my students, if you gave your best, then it's always enough. Audio issues aside, I hope you'll enjoy my conversation with Doctor Carly Dillard in episode 102, testimony. 

0:04:06 - (C): Joining me this week is Doctor Carly Diller. Doctor Diller is a clinical assistant professor at Baylor and the host of Pink table talk. She holds a DMP from Capella University and a BSN from Elmira College. Thanks for joining us tonight, Doctor D. Thank you, doctor. 

0:04:22 - (Carly Dillard): I'm so happy to be here. 

0:04:25 - (C): Well, you don't have to doctor me anymore. We can dispense with those, those pleasantries. But I know from our discussions about your past a little bit. And so, I mean, first gen college student here and becoming a doctor was really not something that I thought about growing up. So we'll get to that. But I want you to start at the top. What, what would you say has been the most exciting part of your journey and tell us where you've won? I guess I would say, oh, I. 

0:04:56 - (Carly Dillard): Think for me, the most exciting part of my journey had been achieving my doctorate as being a mother to two, two children. When I started my doctorate, I had a four month old baby. Soon after into the doctorate program, I found myself pregnant with baby two. And so at one point, I had two children, other two working on a doctorate and working multiple jobs. So for me, the highlight has been graduating out of my girls, see me go through that process and see that their mom was actually doing something, staying up late, all those hard nights. It actually went towards the goal. 

0:05:38 - (C): Yeah, well, that's tremendous. I know that being that example for others is certainly a big motivator, but let's start at the beginning of your story. What did you want to be growing up and why? 

0:05:50 - (Carly Dillard): Yes, well, I remember my earliest memories is when I was in preschool, and I remember telling my teachers and neighbors then that I wanted to be a veterinarian. So after a few years of always telling people I wanted to be imaginary and working with animals, soon that dream became me wanting to be a doctor. 

0:06:10 - (C): That's great. And nursing, not far from that. So you achieved that goal. So with early dreams of being a doctor, how does that start to unfold in your life? 

0:06:22 - (Carly Dillard): Well, I am one of nine children. I'm actually number eight. So growing up in a huge family, we're always taking care of each other. Me being a more empathetic, hearing, nurturing time, I was always nothing. Taking care of my brothers and sisters or my father, who was also thickly as I was going. So it was just nature to me. I love helping others. I would bring them soon when they were in bed, check temperatures. 

0:06:53 - (Carly Dillard): You know, I was always. 

0:06:56 - (C): So a little bit about your background. You have an associate's degree and rolled that into your BSN. So talk me through the college process when you decided where to go and what to major in and maybe what that decision making process looked like for you. 

0:07:12 - (Carly Dillard): Yes. So throughout my high school journey, I did go through some struggles and some challenges. I lost my father at age 17 during that time, and then a week later, 911. So, yeah, so I went through kind of a really rough path dealing with early depression and anxiety. So at that time, I didn't want to go back to school and I struggled with going back to finish high school. So after talking with one of my diagnosis, Mister Green, I'll never forget him. 

0:07:48 - (Carly Dillard): He gave me just a really straight song and said, you know, you have to get over your morning and you have to get back to work. And he told me my father would be proud of me to go back to school and to finish getting my high school diploma. So I worked really hard for the next year and a half to finish high school when I finished high school, at the time, I was looking for what would be the easiest way to get a job. 

0:08:15 - (Carly Dillard): And so there was some seniors who had graduated here before they came back to do like a talk with us high schoolers. And they were talking about nursing, and they're nursing around now. It's really popular. A lot of people are going into the field. You're guaranteeing a great career, making great money. And I said, you know what? Big program is great because I love taking care of people, I love helping others. 

0:08:40 - (Carly Dillard): And it would be a really good program to get into where I know I can have job security and have a career right after graduation. So I decided to get the two year nursing degree. However, what I found out was everybody was also thinking the same thing. So that's why when I started applying for the nursing program at those two year school, everybody else was too. So my mother, who previously started nursing school at Cesique University in seventies, she said, do your prerequisites first. 

0:09:18 - (Carly Dillard): So I utilized my two years at Hopkins Portland to get all my rework done on my sciences and my liberal arts studies and then move on into the four year program with Elmira College. 

0:09:32 - (C): And I don't know about you, you're a remote faculty at Baylor, but we met at an on campus new faculty orientation. And when I walk around Baylor, it's, it's a complicated set of emotions for me. And I say that because I was a first generation college student. I started at a community college, which felt for me, I won't speak for anyone else, but it felt like 13th and 14th grade for me. I needed it. At the time, I wasn't ready to come to a Baylor or to a massive state school. 

0:10:05 - (C): But when I first got to campus and walked around private school, gorgeous campus, the imposter syndrome was real for me. And really feeling just that sensation that 18 year old me would have no place here. Why on earth would whatever year old me have a place now? So talk me through that process for you and how that upbringing and starting off in a community college factors into the way you practice and teach today. 

0:10:41 - (Carly Dillard): Yes. So I have to agree. You know, for me, my high school education, I felt was sort of rushed. I felt that going to high school in New York City, I didn't get a good quality education. I would have loved to be, you know, just hearing other people that I know who grew up in like number or who come from, you know, private schools, they got such a thorough education. I mean, there was books and authors and people I never heard about. 

0:11:09 - (Carly Dillard): So for me, those two years in the community college was really exactly what I needed. I had needed to brush up on my mat. I needed to learn things like hood mature. I needed to learn how to write well, which I didn't know at the time. I would eventually become something I do a whole lot, especially when I did the doctor. But for me, it was going to grace period. It was like a preacher. And it really goes to a school like America college. 

0:11:43 - (Carly Dillard): I was able to get into extracurricular activities, student government there at the community college, really be able to join different clubs, you know, things I didn't have the opportunity to do in my high school. So I actually was able to really grow when I broke my test today and they saw all the activities that I was in and my GPA, they said, yeah, this is exactly what we're looking for. Whereas two years before that coming out. 

0:12:12 - (Carly Dillard): So it really benefited me. 

0:12:14 - (C): Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I know that it isn't necessarily the fastest path. It may be the most cost effective, but for. For me, I just can't praise that community college path enough. I needed it, and I'm, in a way, jealous of kids who can come straight out of high school and land on their feet at a place like this. But that wasn't my story. So kudos to you for pursuing by whichever path you felt was best. 

0:12:43 - (C): So at what point does getting your bachelor's and then eventually your doctorate come into the equation? Did you know while you were doing that bachelor's degree that you were eventually going to get your doctorate, or were you really focused more on patient care? 

0:12:57 - (Toby Brooks): At that point, I was focused on. 

0:13:00 - (Carly Dillard): Just becoming a nurse. You know, my passion had always been to land a job in hospital where I could really help others. It's truly a calling and a passion of mine. I felt that it just made sense where I could put my passion in something that I love doing, which is caring for others, especially during the time of need and applying money. You know, I do love science. I do love learning. You know, a lot of people think nurses are the doctors handmaiden. No, we are actually nurse scientists and nurse researchers because we actually apply scientific knowledge that we learn at the bedside. 

0:13:39 - (Carly Dillard): And so I always knew that, you know, I was just so excited to get through the nursing school. And if you have talked to any other nurses, nursing school in itself is quite a. I know. All my days studying, all the hours studying groups, we missed out on everything. You know, everybody talks about their wild one. How does me. No, my time of fun was in the library. You know, we were always in the library, me and my friends, all of our nursing friends. And you always did the same nursery students there, right? 

0:14:15 - (C): Yeah. When we first connected, I mentioned the show, and then the premise behind my. 

0:14:20 - (Toby Brooks): Show, and you likewise shared yours and. 

0:14:22 - (C): Thankful for the opportunity, have been on yours. So thanks a ton. But you had mentioned that there was an aspect of your past that fit the show and how sometimes things fall apart before they come together. What was the low point for you? And what do you feel like it taught you that maybe a mountaintop experience couldn't have. 

0:14:42 - (Carly Dillard): Yeah. So after my father's death, when I was a teenager, my family, and I experienced extreme poverty. My mother at the time was only working as the medical secretary, making less than 30,000 a year, still supporting most of her children in the home. So we learned what hunger means. We learned how to go without. I remember there was a time we had no furniture. Many nights going to bed hungry, only having some tea. 

0:15:15 - (Carly Dillard): You know, those were very tough days. And it was through that determination and the drive and the hunger, literally and metaphorically, to succeed. It helped push me so that I could secure a good career for myself, so that I could be financially stable one day. For me and my future family. 

0:15:41 - (C): That was tough, for sure. I know many times when things like that happen in the midst of it, it's really hard to see the purpose. But after the fact, those setbacks really can pave the way for success. So when did pursuing your doctorate and going into academia start to find its. 

0:16:02 - (Toby Brooks): Way into your equation? 

0:16:04 - (Carly Dillard): Well, ultimately, I always knew I wanted to achieve the highest degree attainable in my field. And so I knew early on that the doctorate was the ultimate goal. So after about nine years out of school, I decided to go with. And so I did a dual program, which was a master's and doctorate program through my university. And when I started and applied for the program, you know, life was great. You know, I was in a great and wonderful relationship at the time. 

0:16:39 - (Carly Dillard): Then I saw the news about expecting my first child, and I was like, okay, everything is wonderful. However, soon after that, I found myself in a situation where I was in an abusive situation. I am a survivor of domestic violence, narcissistic abuse, and sexual assault. And so working through that while also trying to achieve my goals, it was tremendous. It was heartbreaking. It was difficult beyond anything I can explain. 

0:17:15 - (Carly Dillard): And a lot of people that know my story, that knowing they can't even believe that I was able to do that and that I'm here today. But I tell them it was God who brought me here, none of my friends of my own, but it wasn't God who protect me, kept me safe, what got me through it. 

0:17:39 - (C): Yeah, that's powerful. Thank you for your transparency and your vulnerability and sharing that, because I know those things can be really difficult. And along the way, you're not only balancing being a mother and dealing with this abuse you're pursuing the doctorate you're doing. I always tell students it's probably not the hardest thing, but it's the longest and the thing that's going to require the most resilience from you and the stick to itiveness that it takes in order to be able to finish that is uncommon. 

0:18:16 - (C): And you're balancing all of these things simultaneously. Do you feel like, at some level, that the doctorate was a help during this time? Do you feel like that was an outlet for you? 

0:18:30 - (Carly Dillard): Yes. It gave me a goal. It gave me a vision. It gave me something to look forward to and to wait up to every day. Not only did I get strength off of being a mother and working hard for my children, but knowing that there was this thing we're working toward, you know, and I say me, because I. My children in it, it was like, we just gotta get there. We just gotta get there, because once we get there, everything's gonna be okay. 

0:19:02 - (Carly Dillard): Everything is gonna be okay. You know, and that's our goal. Everybody take us. Clemesta. Wrong. We had court cases to go through. Person who was abusive was arrested. But I'm paid for it. I'm still writing papers. Then I had my baby number two. I'm in the hospital. I grabbed my laptop. I had my friend who grabbed my laptop. Everything's your laptop for. I said, school starts tomorrow. 

0:19:29 - (C): Oh, my goodness. Bless your heart. That is. That's that resilience I was talking about right there. 

0:19:40 - (Carly Dillard): Oh, do you need anything? I said, yes, I'll take more, you know, cognitive, whatever it was. And I was up. I just had this attitude to not give up. And it was like to keep going, just keep going. And I just got this strength that came out of nowhere. And I always give credit to God for that strength, because I know it wasn't me. There were so many days where I was like, oh, just take a break. Give up. Even my sister, she was like. 

0:20:17 - (Carly Dillard): And I said, no, I just had to do this. 

0:20:19 - (C): I have to do this. Well, congrats. I mean, that is a remarkable story. And I don't know about you, but teaching for healthcare providers, I feel like it's different than our colleagues in the arts and sciences or in the humanities. I really feel like those folks have the advantage because they've trained for that, and then they teach it, and I don't feel like it is. It's not the same thing. Healthcare providers provide care. 

0:20:53 - (C): We got into it because we liked helping patients, not because we liked helping students, necessarily. And don't get me wrong, that can be a tremendously gratifying thing. But those are two different experiences, and for a lot of us, our identity gets wrapped up in patient care and being a member of the healthcare delivery team. So when you make this pivot into higher Ed and becoming a faculty member that necessarily means you're not practicing as a nurse like you did before. 

0:21:27 - (C): Did you feel like there was part of your identity wrapped up in patient care? And if so, what was that, that transition period like for you? 

0:21:35 - (Carly Dillard): Well, one of the pillars of nursing in education, we do a lot of patient education. So early on, we were taught principles on how to teach, how to teach others for their educational level and teach people who had lower education or no education. You know, people of different languages. Teaching is intertwined in nursing from day one. So for me, it just came natural. And I remember even, just hosting maybe even study groups where we would teach each other back the information. 

0:22:10 - (Carly Dillard): And I remember one professor told me, she said, you're a national teacher. And so for me, it involves the impression on me. And I always said not to myself, she thinks I have potential as a teacher. Sonic. So I always knew eventually I would love to teach. And as a nurse at the bedside, I found myself always talking to nursing students almost. She loves to teach the nursing students. I even taught the volunteer I volunteer who was a high schooler in nursing school and who was going to apply to nursing school. 

0:22:49 - (Carly Dillard): And by the time she finished her next year, she was helping with patients and doing all things that were outside of her job. Right. 

0:22:59 - (Toby Brooks): That's funny. 

0:23:00 - (C): Well, that teaching spirit eventually bubbled to the surface. So talk to us a little bit about what your days look like. Today. You're not only teaching, but you're also a podcaster. So maybe talk to us a little bit about how those two things fit together and how they became part of. 

0:23:16 - (Toby Brooks): Who you are in 2024. 

0:23:19 - (Carly Dillard): Yes. So for me, teaching today, I do in online and I do in person with clinical rotation. So each semester I'll have either one or two clinical groups where we go to the hospital and we do full twelve hour shifts. So I love that work. I love being back with the patients and doing the patient care, showing the students procedures, talk to them about professionalism, how they cure themselves in the hospital. 

0:23:50 - (Carly Dillard): I love, and I love walking in with my group. Everybody knows our vamp on our green scrub, and people are always happy to see us today because they know we come with a certain disreputation. For me, diagnose students, mentoring those students and teaching them about patients safety, and teach their respect and compassion. It's huge for me. I want to teach my students compassion, how to truly enlist them into their patient, how to show their picture, love, and how to treat them as if they were themselves or a family member. 

0:24:31 - (Carly Dillard): And that's something that my students have said stood out. And so, for me, I love teaching, whether to explain or how to critically think. For me, it's just. It's a passion, and it's just something I enjoy doing. 

0:24:47 - (C): Absolutely. So, the podcast, you said before the show started, you're getting ready to kick off season two. So talk to us a little bit about how that started and how you have leveraged that creative outlet as part of who you are. 

0:25:03 - (Carly Dillard): Yeah. So I got connected with Lalla Media Network through a fellow nurse that I was working with at a hospital. We always saw each other at Cathy, and one day I noticed we attended the same conference. It was a good, huge conference. And so we talked about that. And then she told me she had a podcast, and she would love for me to be on it. Or woman's history, featuring access to women who are doing great things. 

0:25:32 - (Carly Dillard): So I went on her show in March. Her show is called Be Bold. Why not? And it was wonderful. I had a great time on the show. We talked about nursing. We talked about women. We talked about empowerment. And the audience and producers really loved just having me on the show, so they asked me to create a proposal for my own show. So I did. And after a couple of months working back and forth with them, we came up with pink table talk. 

0:26:02 - (Carly Dillard): And so, pig. Table talk is a show about just that. It's about women empowerment. Pig now is like a power of color for women. We had the Barbie movie last year for lots of pink. It's into a feel good color. Makes people feel great. And in my show, I like to talk to people who have brought their challenges, who are now successful. Maybe they have their own organization, their own business, but the key is they went through some, and I think that, in line, we go through these challenges so that we can have a customer. 

0:26:40 - (C): Sure. 

0:26:42 - (Toby Brooks): Yeah. 

0:26:42 - (C): That's powerful. And I appreciate you allowing me to crash the party. I didn't wear pink for the episode I was on, but I'll just say it's because most of my stuff was still packed away in storage. We haven't finished moving yet, so. 

0:26:56 - (Carly Dillard): And you are, my friend. Male get. 

0:26:59 - (C): I did not realize that. Well, that's tremendous. Well, Nark D, I love music and the emotions that it can frequently represent. If we were to watch a montage of your life, what song would you pick to play in the background and why? 

0:27:13 - (Carly Dillard): Oh, wow. Oh, that's a tough one. It's so funny. I guess I'm gonna pee. Pink. You know, it's pink. Good enough to drink. We like other colors, but pink just looks so good on us. 

0:27:37 - (C): Fair enough. 

0:27:38 - (Carly Dillard): Yeah, it's in the bubbly upbeat. So it's just about feeling good. Feeling energized makes it. And I feel like, I feel like the inside of my men is. 

0:27:54 - (C): Well, I certainly understand. I know the set for the show definitely reflects that. If I recall, you are living proof of your walking, talking example of the idea behind your show for sure. Well, folks want to connect and they want to follow you. What are the links I can provide or where can I point them? 

0:28:16 - (Carly Dillard): Yes, they can catch me at laptop twelve. It's every Wednesday at 07:00 p.m. central 08:00 eastern time. But they can also catch me on the recording, the podcast available on Apple, Spotify, Amazon and Google. So we have seen the two just started last week with a recap. We're filming live this Wednesday with a wonderful and amazing mom. 

0:28:46 - (C): That is awesome. Well, I want to thank you so much for your time. I appreciate you so much and thank you for sharing your story. And last little bit, I always stitch this in. I just have you introduce yourself and say, and I am undo. 

0:29:00 - (Carly Dillard): I am Doctor father B. And I am undo. 

0:29:04 - (Toby Brooks): Awesome. 

0:29:05 - (Carly Dillard): Thank you so much. I appreciate you. 

0:29:07 - (C): Thank you. 

0:29:08 - (Toby Brooks): I'm thankful to Doctor Dillard for dropping in and I hope you enjoyed our conversation. For more info on today's episode, be sure to check it out on the web. Simply go to undonepodcast.com ep 102 to see the notes, links and images related to today's guest doctor Carly Dillard. A couple of requests for you and of you. First, sign up for my free weekly encouragement the undone. It comes out every Sunday just in time for you to game plan for your week ahead and I think you'll find the weekly action item I picked up from a recent guest to be helpful. I promise I'll never sell your info or spam you and this is your first step to becoming undone yourself. 

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0:30:36 - (C): Coming up next time. 

0:30:37 - (Toby Brooks): I'm still working on locking down my next guest, but I have several in the works. Surgeon, inventor, influencer, wife and mom. Doctor Brittany Bankhead is on deck, and after doing my recent episode with metal finisher Joe Cherwan, I can't wait to share the story of my good friend Kevin Clapp of Texas Premier polishing. Problem is, these folks stay so busy that I haven't been able to pin them down for an interview. 

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